hello jwn, my last thread revealed the identity of the beast out of the earth referenced in revelation chapter 13 veses 11-18. this post will deal with the beast out of the sea who is being ridden by a prostitute called babylon the great.. first, we must identify the beast the prositute is riding.
this can be found in revelation chapter 17:.
one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, come, i will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters.2 with her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.. 3 then the angel carried me away in the spirit into a wilderness.
Templelijah: I have a question for you. (this is a sincere question and not an attack on what you said)
By receiving Christ and living the proper way, is the message of interpretation of the meaning of Revelation something that is a personal revelation to us and may it differ from others who are also acceptable to the Lord. Are we to have one interpretation or will we be given insight based on what we personally need as determined by Christ? Your thoughts appreciated. Leslie
lately i have been dreaming a lot about old jw's i used to know and be friends with.
i have been out since 2008 but yet i think often of those i liked a lot at the kingdom hall.
i do not get it why do these still thoughts still come?
Hello D, I have been out since 2004 and have these dreams also. The dreams usually are about my adult children. It's funny you should bring this topic up because I had one of those dreams last night about a couple who were best friends with my ex and myself. It's always the same, I am trying to show them the fallacies of Wt. teaching using their own literature but they just won't listen. I wake up frustrated. Leslie
when you are a jw, you are given a view of spiritism that is like a jack chick tract but without the unintended humor.. when i began to read channeled "information", i was surprized by how positive, optimistic and often loving it seemed to be.
naive?
yes.... often silly?
Metatron, interesting topic. (lol@ Jack Chick tracts, saw some and he's a real piece of work)
Spiritism likely offers a hope much like Christianity as the practicer believes in something other than the physical world. With Christians most believe in an afterlife with Christ whereas many spiritists believe in ascending to a different plane of existence once the physical body dies. I have spoken to Wiccans and also two of my best friends are into Shamanism. Both groups tend to follow the creed of doing no harm to others and have a definite connection with their physical surroundings and also a strong belief in the spirit world. My friends believe in the higher power or force if you will and try to live in harmony with that.
I agree Satanus that mind tries to shut down this awareness. My very best friend and I have a connection of some sort. I can be at home and will drop everything because I know she needs me to come help her. When I arrive at her place she always tells me that she was asking for me to come. It is weird, I can't explain it but it has happened too many times to be a co-incidence. Whether this is Christ/holy spirit directing me to her or the collective consciousness, is up to interpretation. I do believe we are all connected in some higher way that is just not understood at this time.
Contrary to WT belief, the people I know are very peaceful and definitely not the evil stereotype that is used to portray them. (I hope I did not miss the point you were trying to make) Leslie
hello jwn, my last thread revealed the identity of the beast out of the earth referenced in revelation chapter 13 veses 11-18. this post will deal with the beast out of the sea who is being ridden by a prostitute called babylon the great.. first, we must identify the beast the prositute is riding.
this can be found in revelation chapter 17:.
one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, come, i will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters.2 with her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.. 3 then the angel carried me away in the spirit into a wilderness.
It has never made sense to me why prophecies that were supposed to be so important to salvation would be written in such a way that interpretation would not be crystal clear. Sabastious and Finkelstein have both given very differing interpretations of the meaning of the symbolic figures represented in Revelation. This was actually something that got me thinking years ago. I had picked up the magazine "The Plain Truth" and I believe it was a discussion of the book of Daniel. They used other scripture to back up their ideas and it made as much sense as a Wt. interpretation.
Is it possible Sab, that the book of Revelation is not a prophecy at all but a book written by a very old man who may been under the influence of some herb of some kind. I mean this with no disrespect. When compared to the simple message of Christs teachings this is so out there. Why would a message of this importance be so cryptic and able to be interpreted so many ways that no clear message can be seen. If the message has no distinct 'ring' then it is sounded in vain. just my .02 cents -Leslie (thx for this topic)
i think with every year their are more and more newbies that identify with this site , would you like to say " hi ", if you have joined in the last 12 months ?.
does anybody have a graph of the numbers of newbies who have joined in say the last 5 years ?.
i think that would be interesting.
Hi Smiddy, believe it was August 2012 when I joined, convinced me 100% the WT is all BS.- Leslie
i'm currently dealing with some very religious jw family members and this has led to several "debates" (i hate to use the term debate, since it's more of a one-sided argument where they do nothing but reference watchtower publications, but whatever).. gotta be careful in what i'm about to ask, since there's been quite a bit of turmoil on here whenever there is a religion vs. science sort of discussion.
i've searched on past threads as this topic has come up but haven't received any real answers one way or another.
just lots of fighting.
Good point Mr. Falcon. If the genetic code was there to provide for future different nations based on skin color, shape of the eyes, color and type of hair, would/should he have anticipated that future conflicts would arise from this especially when he is supposed to be responsible for the different languages as well. It seems to be a recipe for disaster. -Leslie
faith.
study: people who are spiritual but not religious are more vulnerable to mental disorder.
posted on january 4, 2013 at 12:44pm by billy hallowell .
Interesting but I definitely think they need to do more research. The research doesn't seem to take into consideration which came first, the mental illness or the spirituality. A person can be mentally ill for many years before it becomes blatantly obvious that they are ill. Did they seek out spirituality because they are mentally ill or the other way around? We have all seen how the mentally ill have been treated by others and perhaps this is why they do not regularly attend a church or identify with a particular religion. I know from first hand experience how the JWs backed away and avoided me when my Bi-Polar caused me to act "strange". just my .02 cents. -Leslie
i'm currently dealing with some very religious jw family members and this has led to several "debates" (i hate to use the term debate, since it's more of a one-sided argument where they do nothing but reference watchtower publications, but whatever).. gotta be careful in what i'm about to ask, since there's been quite a bit of turmoil on here whenever there is a religion vs. science sort of discussion.
i've searched on past threads as this topic has come up but haven't received any real answers one way or another.
just lots of fighting.
One reasoning I heard was that the genetic code of Adam & Eve contained all the necessary genes to cause the difference in color and so on. They used the example of recessive genes. For example, a child is born with red hair and neither the parents, grandparents, or extended family has red hair, where did it come from. Then looking many generations back into the family tree they see that some predecessor from 300 years ago had red hair. Not my idea but that was one explanation I heard. - Leslie
i haven't been to a meeting (other than some cousins' weddings) for well over twenty years.
i've always wondered what the fds was going to do with the "generations" thing once pretty much everybody who had been alive in 1914 is gone.
i get that they've come up with some "new light" about this topic, but when i ask my mom (who's still in) i only get "well, the new understanding is complicated...".
LOL @ Think about it. Since "they" more than likely monitor this site, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually used your idea. That would be hilarious, "new light" originating from an X-JW site. Bwahahaha -Leslie
i would like to thank everyone who is a part of this community.
i have been abused by this billion dollar evil religion since i was born.
i am now in my late thirties and have been battling depression issues over my former abuses by this nongoverment organization.
Welcome Defianttruth. I was very impressed by the fact that when you finally outgrew your father and could have laid a real beating on him, you didn't, because you didn't want to become like him. That takes a lot of strength. I wish you all the best in your healing journey. You have been blessed with a lovely little family. Looking forward to hearing more from you. Leslie
